Description and Keywords

[howsimple]

Re: Description and Keywords

Hi,
The last update caused several issues to my store. Within 2 days, Miva provided 2 more updates because of the bugs.

Here is my solution. Wait about 2-3 weeks after the latest update. However, be sure you do the update or a fee will be applied to your account for non-compliant. Happened to my development store I ignored but Miva credited me.

Does not guarantee MIVA9 will have no bugs, but you will reduce the chances of having something go wrong.

Good Luck!
Keith

[joseibarra]

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This owner waited until the last minute (well, last couple hours).

Like Windows 10... I don't think so just yet. I participate in the Microsoft Support communities too and right now, it is flooded with "I tried to upgrade to Windows 10 and now... [Issues 1-infinity]

If there is a workaround using standard SMT code, some Miva expert (from Miva) should post it, explain the problem, how to recognize the symptoms, post the tested/verified workaround, explain how it works, how to apply it and how to check to be sure it is working. That's how I reply to Windows problems and how things usually get fixed in one message cycle.

Since I think most folks have the Toolkit, a second section describing how to get things working with that way too.

Mostly just a copy/paste (where, how) and probably remove the suggested HEAD template adjustment since I think that causes duplicate SEO on PROD pages. See - that's what I think, but that could be wrong.

A properly constructed reply would/could/should fix everybody.

I could probably figure it out but I would rather have somebody smarter with SMT show me the best way - and explain why the SMT code posted earlier doesn't work for me but seems to work for others although I have visited some other stores where even that doesn't seem to be working provided those stores have CTGY SEO information filled in.

In the MS Communities, I sign with:

The mediocre teacher tells. The good teach explains. The superior teacher demonstrates.

[lesliekirk]

Re: Description and Keywords

Here is my solution. Wait about 2-3 weeks after the latest update. However, be sure you do the update or a fee will be applied to your account for non-compliant. Happened to my development store I ignored but Miva credited me.

Yes, but...after MM9 was released the first two updates went fairly smoothly without incident. The MM9.0003 was okay, except for all the coding changes needed to run the new features. (Side note: From my side of the fence, that's not a bad thing, but from a store owner's perspective, they just want to click the button and have it work.) Since the first 3 updates appeared to go smoothly, some may have been more than willing to click that button (and did).

Something too that I have found that confuses the store owners that have up to date stores is the Updates message bar that appears on the home page of the store. Store owners see "Miva Merchant 9.0004 is available now!" and think they are not up to date. Add to the confusion is the What's New section right below it. To me, the messages are redundant. If the store is up to date, I would like to see the Updates message go away.

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As for the fees, I think you have 90 days from the date of a release to run the update unless it's a security update then it's 30 days. I'm sure Rick can correct me on this.

Leslie

[joseibarra]

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... and I might add that this SEO stuff was working fine before the upgrade. The SMT code was a little different but that is "fixed" now replaced with the new code.

Miva Support has cryptically responded to the store owner that the reason the new SEO fields don't work on CTGY pages is because this is a Look & Feel store:

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If that is true then it should not work on the PROD page either, but it does.

Regarding the 9.0004 update, Miva Support says that "...any of the new functionality that was released will not work in this store" since it is Look & Feel.

I don't know if that is the case or not but Support says what I should do adjust the SEO on the CTGY page itself here:

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That makes no sense to me and I don't know why there is an SEO tab there to begin with.

It worked before in my Look & Feel store so I think it should work now in my Look & Feel store.

[Rick Wilson]

Re: Description and Keywords

Joseibarra,

They're telling you because you're on MMUI (Miva Merchant Look and Feel) these new features won't work, because MMUI is officially deprecated and no longer supported.

You're right, your store shouldn't have broken.

However in the long run, you should strongly consider migrating to CSSUI.

[Brennan]

Re: Description and Keywords

Hi joseibarra -

I understand your frustration and we are doing everything we can to get this fixed as quickly as possible. I'm not in the office today but I was able to get you the code you need.

This works on a CSSUI store, and it should also work on an MMUI store but I haven't tested it. Once you add it can you please confirm it works correctly for you.

You will need to paste this on your CTGY page in the <head> tag of the main template. It does use toolkit so that module will need to be installed and assigned to the CTGY page.

<mvt:item name="toolkit" param="categorymeta|CODE|l.all_settings:category:code" />
<meta name="keywords" content="&mvte:meta:keywords;" />
<meta name="description" content="&mvte:meta:description;" />

Once we do fix the bug you will need to remove the code to prevent the meta tags from displaying twice.

[joseibarra]

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That looks like it is working - and thanks.

I did not get an email notification so just checked the topic today.

I pasted it into the top of User Interface, Settings, HEAD Tag Content - not on the CTGY page like you said. Is that okay?

The Emporium Plus Toolkit is assigned under Items on both the CTGY and PROD pages.

I am curious why there is an SEO tab under CTYG and PROD pages with Keywords and Description and when would one populate those (or not).

[joseibarra]

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I did a little reading about converting from MMUI to CSSUI and a Miva blog post says:

CSSUI Vs. MMUI—Should I Convert My Store?

Now that you have a little background on why there are two different UI’s, let’s answer the question of : “should I convert my store?” One misconception that commonly comes up is that you need to be on CSSUI to get the new functionality that we are releasing, such as inventory at the attribute level (released in PR7) or multiple images with zoom (coming in PR8). This is not the case. All new functionality is not UI specific. You will get the new functionality on both MMUI and CSSUI.

Regarding the 9.0004 release applied to a Look & Feel store, Miva Support told me that "...any of the new functionality that was released will not work in this store". That contradicts the blog post that states "new functionality is not UI specific".

Is that true - that none of the 9.0004 features (some of which I may have not discovered yet) will not work in a Look & Feel store?

Looking ahead to future releases of Miva should we be concerned that we will not be able to use any new functionality in our Look & Feel store?

Is there any reason for us to think that future releases of Miva will not work with both MMUI and CSSUI or can we count on Miva to be sure that new releases have been tested and verified to work with both user interfaces.

The blog post says the converting would involve "rebuilding and starting from scratch" and with 2050 categories and 30,000 products that sounds unpleasant.

[lesliekirk]

Re: Description and Keywords

The blog post mention in this post is seriously out of date: February 11th, 2011.

The MMUI to CSSUI converter is the way to go.

Rick covered the MMUI status here:

MMUI (Miva Merchant User Interface) is now officially Deprecated as of 9.0004

[Rick Wilson]

Re: Description and Keywords

Leslie beat me to the punch, everything she says is true.

I will see about getting a new blog post done and reference it in the old one for posterity.

[Brennan]

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I pasted it into the top of User Interface, Settings, HEAD Tag Content - not on the CTGY page like you said. Is that okay?

Just verify that the meta tags are not appearing twice on category pages (or any other pages)

I am curious why there is an SEO tab under CTYG and PROD pages with Keywords and Description and when would one populate those (or not).

Good question. If you didn't want to take the time to do specific category or product meta tags, these fields would allow you to set "global" ones which would apply to all products and all categories. They automatically get replaced by any meta tags you set for each product/category.

[joseibarra]

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Everything looks back to "normal" with my couple meta tags so thanks everyone for the help (Brennan).

Just to see, I populated the SEO fields on the CTGY page, Update, then refreshed my browser on a certain category I was viewing and the tags applied to the current category remained. I'm not sure how the SEO tags on the CTGY page are supposed to work and don't plan on using them so won't try to figure them out for now.

When I was looking through the bug list thread I was checking other stores to see if they had any SEO going on and I see some where they probably think they do (like I did), then they applied the extra SMT code posted earlier by user rajnishi and their store is not working properly either (displaying those default settings) such as this store where looking at the source for a category page:

http://www.themartialartsstore.com/category/SHOE.html

Their stuff looks like this:

<meta name="keywords" content="SEO: META KEYWORDS" />
<meta name="description" content="SEO: META DESCRIPTION" />

They probably think their SEO is working but it's not - maybe another MMUI store like us, and there are others I looked at too with the same problem so I think their SEO is very broken and they probably don't know it.

I think that SMT code works for some other people though but not for me of course.

I have not tested the Title field on the SEO tab since we started using a Custom Field for that long ago and it works just fine. I wonder it that is working properly? I think that is very important to SEO and is not in the code from rajnishi or the Toolkit version (but now I could probably add it myself now).

Now to ponder this conversion thing...

I looked at that some and the video and of course everything works perfectly there but wonder if there are any topics where customers have actually done this conversion and gotten it to work?

[papi34]

Re: Description and Keywords

Hi joseibarra -

I understand your frustration and we are doing everything we can to get this fixed as quickly as possible. I'm not in the office today but I was able to get you the code you need.

This works on a CSSUI store, and it should also work on an MMUI store but I haven't tested it. Once you add it can you please confirm it works correctly for you.

You will need to paste this on your CTGY page in the <head> tag of the main template. It does use toolkit so that module will need to be installed and assigned to the CTGY page.

<mvt:item name="toolkit" param="categorymeta|CODE|l.all_settings:category:code" />
<meta name="keywords" content="&mvte:meta:keywords;" />
<meta name="description" content="&mvte:meta:description;" />

Once we do fix the bug you will need to remove the code to prevent the meta tags from displaying twice.

We have a MMUI store and just noticed this problem. It obviously threw a wrench in our Category Page SEO for several weeks undetected. Opened MIVA ticket #QMZ-481-56708 and when waiting on hold I found this thread. Problem resolved after inserting Brennan's suggested code above. Meta tags are only displaying once in source code. Has this bug been fixed yet as of 9.0004? If not, are there still plans to address this for MMUI stores? I'd rather just leave well enough alone. i.e. If it's no longer broke, don't fix it.

[Bruce - PhosphorMedia]

Current Site Version
Using Custom Bootstrap 4 Template
Added

    <mvt:if expr="g.Screen EQ 'PROD'">
        <mvt:item name="prodctgy_meta" param="prod" />
    <mvt:elseif expr="'CTGY' IN g.Screen">
        <mvt:item name="prodctgy_meta" param="ctgy" />
    <mvt:else>
        <mvt:item name="prodctgy_meta" param="global" />
    </mvt:if>

To Head Tag Content
Double checked assignment of prodctgy_meta
Adding Description and Title to a test category
Only Description Comes through